it goes back to bill clinton. >> there was a story out yesterday that that claim is fiction because you don't count the loophole closing. >> what loophole? >> he talked about mortgage interest. really quickly -- >> mortgage interest? >> he has never talked about mortgage interest. >> the hilarity that there is one -- >> we have one loophole. >> mike, finish, but then i want to get on to something else. >> the president says he wants to lower tax cuts to big corporations. how to pay for it? loopholes. what loopholes? nothing. we'll tell you after the election. you're attacking romney for the same thing. >> i want to talk about the gas prices. one thing that was striking, speaker gingrich, is what some were arguing about the actual numbers. jack welch made a lot of headlines with a tweet that said, unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so they change the numbers without any substantiation. he was on "hardball" with chris matthews and this is how he explained it. >> i've reviewed 14 businesses this week. from restaurants to widgets. i have seen everyb